Here's a link to Karen and her daughter Madi's book This I Know For Sure (https://a.co/d/0isE4POL)
More about Karen here:
https://www.instagram.com/karen_capson/
https://legacyadoptiontexas.com/
https://dfwchild.com/karen-capson/
Guests and the host are not (unless mentioned) licensed pscyho-therapists and speak from their own opinion only. Seek qualified advice if you need help.

